This week, we are delighted to propose a fascinating discussion with Maurice Glucksman on the show. Naval architect by training , Maurice tells us more about his early career at the Wind Ship Company and his experience on board the Mini Lace, a tramp bulker that sailed off the East Coast in the early 80s when the oil crisis created a lot of interest in trying to take advantage of wind power to save on fuel. Through the eyes of an investor in 2021, Maurice reflects on the use of direct wind energy onboard a ship and the associated risks, hurdles and returns on investments. More broadly, we discuss zero emission sailing cargos and the alterations to the way the global supply chain is currently working. Thank you Maurice for your time on the show.